Prove God! [Part1]
This has to be the single most commonly made demand on me as
a theist on the internet. Curiously I don’t recall ever having been given this
demand in a real conversation (that is a conversation which takes place fact to
face for those of you who still communicate in the old-fashioned way!) but one that only happens on the web. I have no idea if there’s something
to that or not.
I am going to defend the view that this is an unreasonable
request and therefore, if I am right, not meeting an unreasonable request is
quite reasonable.
Wikipedia begins defining the philosophical use of ‘proof’
by saying it “…is an argument or sufficient evidence for the truth of a proposition.”
That’s not a bad place to start but it is a matter of fact that different
people have differing opinions on what makes the evidence sufficient (and also
what may even be considered to be evidence) which means the definition ends up
being somewhat vacuous. Often when I ask people what they mean by the word they
say that a proof of x is something which makes unbelief in x impossible. In
other words this evidence would be so compelling that they would not be able to
deny it. This sounds very much like something which philosophers might call a
formal proof. Another comment such atheists often make is that since not
everyone on the planet believes in God that there cannot be proof of his
existence which is sufficient to make them theists. One You Tuber, so confident
that no proof for God can ever be provided, promises to close his account should
proof of God ever be provided! Evidently such people think proof is something which would convince almost everybody on the planet since it's so demonstrable. Let us use this as a working definition.
Now there are a whole range of problems with this approach
and in Part 2 I will give a few reasons why. For now, however, here is a task which will demonstrate one major problem.
What is the evidence for the following things? Actually
think about it as you read them and also think about whether the evidence would
be enough to prove [in the sense identified above] the matter to yourself and
then whether that proof would be sufficient to prove it to another human being.
You may wish to list what evidence you could summon.
1] That you know the name given to you at birth.
2] That the earth is not flat.
3] That the person you call ‘mother’ is your biological
mother.
4] That torturing someone for no reason is wrong.
5] That there are minds other than your own.
6] That the colour you call ‘red’ really is the same colour
everyone else calls ‘red’.
7] That this world we live in is not just a virtual reality
game or dream [Matrix/Inception].
8] That you think what you think you think.
Is your evidence so great that you would claim to have ‘proof’?
You will probably know where I’m going to go in Part 2 already if you took this
challenge on and thought about it…
It is true that trying to prove, through the natural sciences, God's existence is, well, impossible because it is a category mistake. The former deals with, well, nature; the latter is by definition above nature. Fad atheists don't seem to get it. But secondly, there are very good philosophical reasons for theism. My favorite is the argument from contingency. With that one, someone will always say that it does not matter why there is something rather than nothing. I even once talked with a science student and he said that nothing only comes out of nothing, but at least for the laws of this universe. This strikes me as completely irrational. Even Wittgenstein said a system does not contain within itself the reason for its own existence. That pretty much goes with the universe. It just seems people will not listen to reason and will try to wiggle their way out of intellectual combat with non sequitur and ad hominem as innuendo. If the blog is as good as your youtube channel, your reads will be very exciting.
ReplyDeleteYes I agree with you here. There are, indeed, very good reasons for being a theist and some of them might be made up of some scientific data but there are not, strictly speaking, scientific proofs for God. This is why I think it has become so popular amongst popular-level atheism to attack the whole academic discipline of philosophy. They have taken solace in a popular form of scientism in order to avoid the possibility of any evidence but in doing so they have embarrassed atheists who are decent philosophers and made their own view completely untenable by consequence. Thanks for your comment and encouragement.
DeleteConsidering scientism, I wrote a piece on it if I may post a reference to it here: http://theironicintellectual.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-modern-nihilism.html
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